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Jes fer fun here’ the 2nd part to that post cats n kittens…hope ya’ll enjoy-DYSU

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So the questions I have about and for  God (like #1 what the hells up with my brain chemicals lol) are of course infinite.

I do have an almost equal number of questions for his followers here on earth. I mean help a dysfunctional brother out!!

Narrowing it down though, here’s where it ties into the last post.

So many of the Christians I’ve known (God bless their souls) so many of the churches I’ve attended, seem to focus less on the words of Jesus, and more on the rules of the Paul.

And here I don’t mean the original, one of the twelve, no we’re talking Saul, who became Paul, the guy who penned  “Romans”, “Corinthians” etc

That would make the appropriate term for these individuals “Paulists”.

Now I don’t care if you want to be “Paulists” and get all tied up in the anal details of a persecuting…

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Sinners Sermon

July 29, 2013

So yea anyway, I  know some of you will struggle with this idea, having read some of my other posts, that I call myself a christian and strongly desire to use this space to among other controversial things and taboo topics, have a conversation ’bout Godthe ol dysu. But that’s jes another way, I guess oh my most faithful Cat’s & Kittens, that I the old Dysu is dysfunctional.

See the thing is reading these blog posts is jes like hangin out with the Unit fer a day. Ya never know what yer gonna hear, but much of it is gonna be jes wrong on many levels. I don’t know why, well I mean, I do have my theories  many of which I have written ’bout already in earlier posts.

But if yer an Every Word of the Bible is Literal person or, (fer the convenience of this post) an EWBL’r, then God knew ahead of time what I was gonna be like and the exact reason why.

Now I believe and accept the premise that I have free will, this is not that old Calvinistic debate, but to God the question of my free will is moot.

Okay and so before we begin, lets jes agree on some basics can we?.  I already knew/know that these concepts are Biblically accurate. I spent the winter in a bible study here in Palace city and while they did not like the conclusions they could not argue with the following

G21 At the beginning of everything there is God and His plan.

2 The plan is set in motion at the beginning of time.

3This plan, set in action eons before I was born, already included me and every decision I would make, action I would take and/or etc etc etc(or are you suggesting I could act in a way that would surprise God[the guy who knows everything])

If all the above are true then (and if you are an EWLB’r you must agree that they are true) then my having free will means nothing to God. I am going to do what I have always been going to do according to God set in motion at the beginning of time. Now against all that, what choice do I have.

 

But my point isn’t to excuse my, our actions, or to blame God, because I still do believe they’re my choices, (I know, I know it gets really complicated here meta-physically)and I have faith that it’s all working out and I believe that God will also be accountable and when I get there I will say ohhhh…I get it now, but…and again that’s not the point I’m tryin to make here.

god as builderLemme see if it works better if I use an allegory…What I am tryin to say is that if I’m a Master Builder and I  plan to build a house, and about a quarter of my materials are bad, but these are the materials I have tstone-masonryo work with, and I know that I can build an f-in great house even with these materials, I go ahead and build the house. But the bad materials gotta go in, they are now part of the plan.

So when it says in the Bible that  “all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.” (* there are a number of differing interpretations of this verse depending on the version of the Bible yer quoting) but this is the passage from my old stand by and we can see two things from this passageholyfamily-thumb

1 All things are working for the good of God, not me, not you, not the bestest Christians among us, but for God. But of course, in the end, what is good for God is good for me. So this first part means that the plan works for the good of God, which in turn will be good for me (even though many Christians like to read it the opposite way.) And that this call, to make, assist with the “all things” is “to those who are called according to his purpose”. Who is this then?  **Many Christians define this passage as meaning themselves, only Christians, brothers in Christ. But is that what the original intent was?But let’s go back and pay attention to our conversation above.

If we agreed that everyone has to be part of the plan or there can be no plan, then everyone is in on this deal or no one is.

If you are an EWLB’r you have believe this to be true. Because this is what the good book says….

The Bible very clearly over and over asserts that points 1,2 & 3 from above are true…there is no disputing that

“Now hold on,” Says you, the ever vigilant bible scholar “my Bible says somethin different bout this called to purpose…

“And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who[a] have been called according to his purpose.NIV (*, **)

Okay well lets look at that (this is a common reinterpretation of this passage in newer versions of the Bible, though the interps of course are many and varied).

Are you sayin that God (& by default then God’s plan) is busy working for the good of me? Or even more specifically those who have been called according to his purpose which has a pre-qualifier of those who love Him.Buddy Jesus

So reading this passage we can now see it reads that God’s plan is working for me if I love him, because then I’m included in His plans’ which are busy working for my good. And also I guess ergo and or ipso facto I cannot be called according to His purpose if I do not love him,  and conversley He will not be working for my good. (the re-interpreter does not claim whether God will actively work against me, jes that he won;t work for me)

Wha, wha, wha, what?!?…

Okay so here’s where I get into trouble ’cause that’s jes the kind’a logic that’s sets me off.

If you are a true believer, and EWLB’r this interpretation does not mesh well with points 1, 2 & 3, I’m sorry (not really) but are you trying to tell me as did one agitated Bible Study member, instantly regretting the words as they spewed from his angry lips…

“Maybe not everyone is part of God’s plan!”

I had never heard a Christian say these words a loud, I knew he didn’t believe them I had jes backed them all in a corner and he had panicked.

i of course responded “Are you saying there are some people jes doing there own thing, not part of God’s paln. free and independent agents as it were?”

And here I am asking the same question of you if you an EWLB’r who believes as this gentlemen jesus-doin jointdid.

“Maybe I am” He wasn’t of course. He did not believe what he said.

“Show me yer Biblical support” A common challenge at Bible Study

“I asked you to show me yours first”…

Oh yea I fergot to mention that see…I have a habit of saying “ahh well His will be done” or “His will be done”, have it tattooed on my back to remind me-

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And I guess really gotten under this guy’s skin, a minister, missionary, theologian who knew both the Latin and Greek interpretation of every biblical passage, a super liberal, beardy, intellectual, who also knew far more than me about all things Bible, Biblical, Bibliography (okay jes added that one fer fun). As we were finishing up I said my little saying…something having to do with a terrible thing like slavery or maybe a Native American issue….

So of course I said here Ahh well God’s will be done (or the like) and he said,

“What do you mean by that?! You’re always saying that?! God isn’t to blame for everything you know!? Not everything is God’s will!”

5067546_f520I said of course I respectfully disagreed and though I didn’t believe like he did, that every word of the bible is true, I did believe the part where it says God knows all, known all since the beginning, and that “all” includes me and “all” about me from my deepest thoughts to my most outrageous and spontaneous actions. He, they had all agreed on this earlier so he was stuck here.

“Yes, yes!” He said even more frustrated having to rehash this earlier debate that he/they had lost “but I asked you to support your claim that everything that happens is God’s will.”

I repeated my claim that it was not my words but the Bibles, repeated that I no longer obsessed (as I did for a year or so in my twenties) with memorizing verses (it made me too crazy) but (and again I was repeating) “the one that says “that all things work to the good of God, for those who are called to his purpose” I mean I know I am paraphrasing”…

Finally one of the others spoke up. “He means Romans 28.”

They all went to their Bible’s and starting throwing out the various versions of Romans 28.

Earlier in the day they had upbraided me for saying, suggesting really that the Bible was a complicated book.

They had all assured me the Bible was easy to understand for those who were ready to submit to God’s authority.

I stood, interrupting the erupting debate.

“I believe” I began still smiling, “Just like I said I did. ”

You talking NIV or NIV(nr)?

You talking NIV or NIV(nr)?

 

They stared at me as if I was crazy.

 

 

 

With nothing more to add I left the McDonalds and they went back to their debate over the NIV version the NIV(nr), NAS, NCV, LEB, HCS, TMB, etc etc etc ad infinitum, ad naseum

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